Welcome, being a lurker you know most will welcome you, but a few will condemn you being an active witness/elder/pioneer. I wish you the best, and have empathy for your situation.
adjusted knowledge
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A big hello and thank you
by iwasblind ini just wanted to introduce myself and say a big hello to all of my mentally diseased friends.. i say friends because i have been lurking for some time so it feels like home (us lurkers are a bit scared and cautious so it takes a while).
i won't bore you with too many details, but i am a born in, currently serving as the cobe of a congregation.
my wife and i have pioneered for the last 10 years and were shaken awake by that ridiculous 15th july 2013 wt about the generation and 1914.. my wife who is much smarter than me has questioned for years.
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Book Burning and other burning of materials done by JW. Any experiences Please post
by adjusted knowledge inas a very young child i have memories of several book burnings done by jw families.
it wasn't something arranged by the congregation, but elders did participate in it.
it was actually scary for me as a child of only about 8 years old.
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TheOldHippie
Stupid post. Burning books? Yeah, sure. The only book burning that took place, was the Nazis burning JW books back in the 30's. Burning books? Man, what topic!
Can always tell who was a condescending elder at one point in their life. Bitter Bitter
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Book Burning and other burning of materials done by JW. Any experiences Please post
by adjusted knowledge inas a very young child i have memories of several book burnings done by jw families.
it wasn't something arranged by the congregation, but elders did participate in it.
it was actually scary for me as a child of only about 8 years old.
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adjusted knowledge
As a very young child I have memories of several book burnings done by JW families. It wasn't something arranged by the congregation, but Elders did participate in it. It was actually scary for me as a child of only about 8 years old. The books being burned were from a study of one the Elders. She was a single mother and she was quite messed up in the head. She claim her doll attacked her. So guess what? That doll got the heave ho into the fire pit also.There were several JW surrounding the pit of fire, claiming to hear demons wale.
Are witnesses still this bat shit crazy when it comes to demons?
The other book burning took place at about age of 16. My JW friend and I began playing AD&D (Dungeons & Dragons). Even though my father wasn't a witness and he was educated, he wouldn't allow me to play or posses the material, because of the news stories about D&D. I wasn't too obedient with that rule. My JW friend was a slob and his mother would constantly clean his room. He would hide his books in that trash pit. Well one day when I went to his house there was a pile of ash on the porch. He was at the kitchen table surrounded by bibles and Insight book. I was told to go home. My JW friend ratted me out to my dad. I asked my father if he burned my books. He told me that he isn't wasting money, and had me turn them back in for store credit. I used that store credit a few months later to buy the books again. lol
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JW 'urban legends'
by Steve Lowry ini was thinking about some of the old jw urban legends that we grew up with and believed in as jws.
most of the ones i remember revolved around stories about demons, and jws being "attacked" when they would do something wrong.
some of these legends scared the crap outta me when i was little.
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adjusted knowledge
The smurf story and the two angles standing behind the witness had to be the most popular. I remember those two stories in the 80s and 90s.
Are there any new ones that have come about in the last 10 years? Are the witnesses still crazed about demons? I can recall several book burnings as a child.
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If the Watchtower truly collapsed, how would you deal with your JW relatives?
by nicolaou inimagine the best case scenario.
the watchtower society implodes from within even making final printed admissions that it is voluntarily dismantling it's mission and legally dissolving the corporations.
oh happy day!
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adjusted knowledge
Only my mom and sister are JW now. Neither of the two are active. My mom holds on to the belief because it gives her hope. She loss her father last year and my grandmother is 85. If the religion was to collapse I think she would be depressed, but then maybe we can have a Christmas again. The last Christmas we did as a family was 1982. -
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Welfare and Witnesses
by adjusted knowledge ini'm ignorant to the social welfare programs outside the us, but listening to others i have to assume in europe it is more generous.
i've not had deep personal conversation with active witnesses for nearly 20 years.
last year i made contact with a family and some elders came to my house.
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I'm ignorant to the social welfare programs outside the US, but listening to others I have to assume in Europe it is more generous. I've not had deep personal conversation with active witnesses for nearly 20 years. Last year I made contact with a family and some Elders came to my house. But I avoided personal conversation and stuck to explanations on all the changes in WT doctrine.
As a child I can recall only one family that had money, but they moved to my congregation towards the end of my childhood. A lot of families were on welfare, especially those that consisted of pioneers. My mother worked full-time, and my father was a high school teacher and held jobs on weeknights teaching at the prison, and weekends doing financial auditing. He was very grumpy and a mean SOB at times (nothing physical just so tired and wanted to sleep).
One day this Elder came to our house and started to condemn my father for buying a "new" car. It was actually a used car, my family never had a "new" car. He told my father he was pursuing material things and should come back to the kingdom hall. My father was never baptized and study with the witnesses for about five years. He stopped when I was about 12 because of the hypocrisy he saw within the congregation and the favoritism that was given to JW elder's children.
This same Elder that criticized my father, never worked a single day throughout my time in the organization. He was the anointed I mentioned in another thread. His wife worked full-time, and he "pioneered". His extended family were on food stamps, medicaid, ect.. This allowed his daughter to be a pioneer. These pioneers and elders will condemn others for pursuing material things over spiritual matters, but they don't know what its like to support a family just on your income alone.
The WT has one of the best business plans I've seen. Free labor, tax free income, and its workers are subsidized by tax payers.
oh and their charity work "we teach literacy" what a scam
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If They Stopped Shunning Tomorrow?
by cofty inimagine that the cult decided to stop shunning family members on the proviso that the dfd person was not actively trying to attack the cult.. (please don't debate whether or not this is likely - it's hypothetical).
how would you respond to your family?.
personally i think i would be less than cooperative.
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adjusted knowledge
If they lifted or softened their rules on shunning, I don't think it will have the impact some here think it will. Do you think that your children, parents, and former friends that have shunned you for many years will all of a sudden reach out to you? They will still view you as unrepentant, mentally diseased, worldly, and bad association. I don't see a daughter or son that has shunned their parents for a decade and withhold their children from meeting their grandparents all of a sudden have a change of heart.
The Watchtower Inc. would have to give not only permission but also encourage those to reach out, and that won't happen. Every year the WT publishes the same narratives several times a year. First narrative is the example of Korah being "swallowed up" for not following Moses and that not following the Governing Body is a death sentence. Second is Jesus stating he came not for Peace but with a Sword pitching daughter against father ect.... These two are repeated over and over again every single year I was a witness, and I still see it in their literature to this day.
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WoMD ... so where are they?
by Simon innow, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
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adjusted knowledge
If you watch an interview with Chaney back in the mid 90's or maybe early 90's he talks about how it would be a mistake to invade Iraq. It is an amazing interview. Chaney predicted all the stuff that would happen if we invaded and gave that as a reason why Bush Sr. didn't invade.
Both wars have had a major impact on US debt and destabilizing the region IMO.
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What Do Creationists do in their Laboratories?
by cofty inwell they actually do cutting-edge research and publish peer-reviewed papers (well, reviewed by other creationists actually).
here is a recent example by "dr" danny faulkner on whether the flood lasted for 371 or 365 days..... you will always remember where you were when you first heard of this leap in human knowledge.. spoiler alert - he concludes it doesn't matter either way.
the nobel prize committee have been alerted!.
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adjusted knowledge
So few creationist do a good job of providing intellectual thought to their arguments. I can understand that believing in intelligent design is a difficult position to hold, but they should make an attempt of postulating logical points for discussion.
I think the best they can do is ask questions, which in itself doesn't prove creationist viewpoints but it does spur reasonable conversation.
The complexity argument is one they use. Richard Dawkins addresses that one, though I don't think his argument is that strong.
The two questions I would ask if I was a creationist, is why doesn't abiogenesis and endosymbiosis happen today?
Again, a lack of information doesn't prove God, but it is much better discussion than their pseudoscience approach.
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Biology Blog site if anyone is interested
by adjusted knowledge ini'm currently enrolled in a nursing program, but plan on continuing into medical school.
i'm required to take an additional seven science courses.
this summer i'm taking a biology course/lab.
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I'm attending two schools. I do my nursing clinical at a community college and my bachelor courses at University of South Florida. They have an agreement for a concurrent program.